tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8276394445294788649.post4123207709196222298..comments2024-01-05T05:16:17.187-05:00Comments on Leslie F. Miller: [uproar]Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8276394445294788649.post-33699831073868616742011-09-26T06:22:45.803-04:002011-09-26T06:22:45.803-04:00@Aunt Teena @rvrich Thank you both. I enjoy inter...@<a href="#c6630095936439614261" rel="nofollow">Aunt Teena</a> @<a href="#c7677174290312031087" rel="nofollow">rvrich</a> Thank you both. I enjoy interacting with you on whichever forum. Teena, your sense of humor makes me cackle out loud a lot, and I need that. Thanks.fuquinayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05996168855030440765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8276394445294788649.post-12279499397754633312011-09-26T06:16:23.789-04:002011-09-26T06:16:23.789-04:00@Cybergabi Nah. I think my point was proven perfe...@<a href="#c48362114048366640" rel="nofollow">Cybergabi</a> Nah. I think my point was proven perfectly yesterday, when a dozen people I know posted, as their status, the all-cap hoax that Facebook is going to start charging $9.99 per month for the service—same ol' hoax going around for years. <br /><br />Most people are lazy. You and I? We've found a way to get Timeline early. People need to take responsibility for the things they do, even on the Internet.<br /><br />We're talking about Facebook. This isn't a public health crisis. It's a stupid social networking site. Really.fuquinayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05996168855030440765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8276394445294788649.post-483621140483666402011-09-26T02:32:11.818-04:002011-09-26T02:32:11.818-04:00@rvrich: Have you every tried to 'reach out...@<a href="#c7677174290312031087" rel="nofollow">rvrich</a>: Have you every tried to 'reach out' to Facebook directly? Good luck with that. Other than, e.g., Google+ or Flickr they don't even have a contact or feedback button. And their Help section rather sucks: Due to the frequent changes, a lot of the instructions given there are outdated.<br /><br />Facebook leaves us no other choice than complaining in public if we're dissatisfied with their features.<br /><br />And Leslie: Not everyone is as cyber-literate as you or me. I stick to my point that, free or not, a system should inform its users about their options in a much more transparent and comprehensive way.cybergabihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11046481296417994068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8276394445294788649.post-66300959364396142612011-09-25T23:28:16.601-04:002011-09-25T23:28:16.601-04:00Hi. I just wanted to say I love you guys. Rvich....Hi. I just wanted to say I love you guys. Rvich...I just like you, because I've never really met you. I don't read about facebook. It's not my favorite thing. I look at it because it sort of took over for Flickr. Flickr used to be a lot more fun......especially Leslie's stream. But I don't complain about facebook because I don't really understand it and I don't really care. I just want to stay friends with my Flickr friends. I'm not usually too interested in what my regular friends have to say. If it's important, they'd tell me some other way. But I don't really care what facebook puts where. <br /><br />By the way, last night my BIL checked in at a restaurant we went to, on foursquare or something. We found out 4 other facebookers also checked in there. We tried to find one, but we couldn't.<br /><br />That's all for me.Aunt Teenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11697357692144705187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8276394445294788649.post-64781459742484328172011-09-25T12:03:54.448-04:002011-09-25T12:03:54.448-04:00@Cybergabi One last comment about this: I didn'...@<a href="#c144085269969982871" rel="nofollow">Cybergabi</a> One last comment about this: I didn't tell people they didn't have a right to complain about Facebook. We all have the right to complain about anything. I just asked how people can complain about one specific thing—that other people can see their posts on a ticker. The first round of changes prompted everyone to post something about you only being able to see [shock! horror!] the posts of 200 of your closest friends. First they're worried about not seeing enough; now people are worried that the ticker is showing stuff that would be invisible. It wasn't invisible. Wasn't as in your face before, but it wasn't invisible. <br /><br />I merely suggest that people find a remedy that isn't whining and isn't quitting. Sometimes the fix is a quick Google search away.fuquinayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05996168855030440765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8276394445294788649.post-91136835500737688812011-09-25T08:14:11.926-04:002011-09-25T08:14:11.926-04:00@Cybergabi In other words, I wasn't speaking t...@<a href="#c2746036481245552562" rel="nofollow">Cybergabi</a> In other words, I wasn't speaking to <i>you</i>. I was speaking to people who haven't taken the time to learn—which is most people.<br /><br />Go ahead and complain. It's like shouting into a well. But go ahead. I mean, what do you want me to say to that? <br /><br />I don't get games notifications with any kind of frequency. I have turned it off in all my subscriptions and unsubscribed from a good number of people. <br /><br />But the things you're complaining about don't seem to be changes as much as they are the original interface. We all have things we'd like to improve—about the grocery stores where we shop, the cars we drive or bikes we ride, the neighborhoods in which we live, and the tools we use, like Facebook. <br /><br />I know a lot of things I'd change on Facebook. I'm just saying that the changes themselves would not be that big a deal if people used the tool well to begin with. People are complaining, but are they looking up what they can do to improve the experience? Are they unsubscribing from all but their favorite people? Are they disabling applications? Are they turning off their own subscription button? Are they asking friends to untick boxes? <br /><br />Or are they just pissing and moaning?fuquinayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05996168855030440765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8276394445294788649.post-76771742903120310872011-09-25T08:03:16.543-04:002011-09-25T08:03:16.543-04:00@rvrich
I just enjoyed your -uproar- with my firs...@<a href="#c144085269969982871" rel="nofollow">rvrich</a><br /><br />I just enjoyed your -uproar- with my first cup of coffee today. Now on #2. <br />I found it quite entertaining and informational in the sense that you confirm many of my suspicions about facebook. I've yet to take time & learn the ins & outs & lists & setups well enough to put it to much good use. It's not their fault I haven't invested more time to understand the controls so I can confidently make use of the power compiled at my fingertips. It's on my to-do list somewhere beyond learning new systems & procedures in my new job landed last June... Not yet on a timing chart.<br /><br />Your final point it a true key to relational responsibility. One should always seek to understand, then to be understood. Reach out to someone directly to resolve an issue perceived before blasting in a broad-stroke public manner or even worse... backstabbing semi-privately where the accused has no possibility of defense. Simple, basic principles of human behavior me thinks. Much overlooked or not understood these days.rvrichnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8276394445294788649.post-27460364812455525622011-09-25T03:43:16.105-04:002011-09-25T03:43:16.105-04:00I didn't imply that other people don't kno...I didn't imply that other people don't know the Facebook interface. I just said that <i>even though</i> I know it and make use of its features, I still feel I have the right to criticize Facebook.<br /><br />And yes, there are ways around letting yourself be used for commercial purposes. I choose to go these ways, too. But that's not the original idea of FB - in fact, it's more like free-riding: If everybody would do it, FB would have to close down or charge a fee to sustain their service.<br /><br />Just because the game notifications don't bother you, that doesn't mean that they don't bother others. I am mighty annoyed by them. And yes, I send out gifts and stuff as well, because it's social gaming and I know that most people are happy to receive some extra coins or mojo. I am not complaining about getting gifts - I just don't want them to clutter my notifications. Users should be able to choose what they are notified about.<br /><br />And that's my major issue with FB. Why do they instead of me choose what I get to see and what I don't get to see in my news feed? Why can't I configure the stuff myself? Why don't they <i>teach</i> you what pressing a button means before you press it? Did you see <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/read_in_facebook_social_news_apps.php" rel="nofollow">this</a> article yesterday? I was shocked that in my news feed I suddenly got entries which said 'Friend X read article Y in The Guardian'. Of course, you don't have to click on any of the <i>social reading</i> buttons when asked for it. But a lot of people will, not knowing what the implications are - and then, rightfully, be p***ed off later when they realize it. <br /><br />I wish for more transparency, in the first place. People should be able to make their own choices, and they should be facilitated by the system in making them, not obstructed.cybergabihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11046481296417994068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8276394445294788649.post-26491048863122347382011-09-24T18:01:55.409-04:002011-09-24T18:01:55.409-04:00By free *I mean*. I need a beer.By free *I mean*. I need a beer.fuquinayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05996168855030440765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8276394445294788649.post-60843325955823418542011-09-24T18:01:11.724-04:002011-09-24T18:01:11.724-04:00@CybergabiJust because you are familiar with it do...@<a href="#c144085269969982871" rel="nofollow">Cybergabi</a>Just because <i>you</i> are familiar with it doesn't mean other people are. And I've never found that list feature to be clumsy or illogical. It's always been easy. <br /><br />In addition, by <i>free</i>, I don't pay money out of my pocket. Advertisers might get access to me, but I don't pay anyone, and I don't click through on ads (I even have an ad blocker and don't see them).<br /><br />Nearly everyone I've seen complaining about the changes never got the hang of it in the first place. If you don't learn how to use the technology before you use it, you run a lot of big risks.<br /><br />As for game notifications, I ignore them. It's not a big deal to me. If someone shares coins with you, you get a notification. I rarely shared, and I don't at all, so you shouldn't be getting any notifications from me, though I do get them from you.<br /><br />I really don't have a problem with Facebook. I don't use Google+ and likely won't.fuquinayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05996168855030440765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8276394445294788649.post-1440852699699828712011-09-24T16:49:22.385-04:002011-09-24T16:49:22.385-04:00I think I know the Facebook interface fairly well....I think I know the Facebook interface fairly well. I also knew (and made use of) lists for a long time. I still believe it's legitimate to criticize Facebook.<br /><br />For one, it's <a href="http://econsultancy.com/uk/blog/7102-isfacebookfree" rel="nofollow">not a free service</a>. Facebook makes money with you - with your status updates, with your friends, your photos, and your gaming record. You are selling all of these to Facebook in return for an account. Their business model is based on ads. They get paid for showing you and your friends the ads they think will make you click through to the company or person who has placed the ad - because that's when Facebook gets paid. So if you disclose a lot about yourself, and if you post a lot of interesting stuff, which will make many others look at what you post, Facebook will make a lot of money with you. That's not free, that's barter in the form of a more or less silent contract (or did you ever read the ToS?).<br /><br />Also - to stick with your example -, just because Facebook has lists doesn't mean they have implemented this feature well. Before they changed it recently, it was completely clumsy and illogical. And even now it's way more difficult to understand and use than the circles concept on Google+.<br /><br />I also can't understand why quite simple, logical features still don't exist on Facebook. Try to block the system from sending you game notifications (soandso has sent you a cow on Farmville) - practically impossible. A while ago they introduced the <i>Game Requests</i> section on the left, and I thought they'd take care of the game requests there, and not in your regular notifications. Far from it: Even if you untick the <i>Game</i> entry in the <i>Updates</i> section under the new <i>Subscribed</i> button for an individual user (which is, as far as I see it, what they intended this feature to be), Facebook still keeps sending you these notifications. In Google+ you can <a href="http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/318955_2467737738885_1415573002_2925889_1002331082_n.jpg" rel="nofollow">turn them off</a> with just one click, for <i>all</i> games and for <i>all</i> friends. <br /><br />I suspect there is a reason for the absence of this feature in Facebook (and many other stuff which is either hidden or missing or ambiguous in its meaning): Games (and some other apps) are the cash cows for Facebook. They want you to play all the time, so that they can get paid by Zynga, Popcap & Co. Therefore they constantly remind you of every sheep, fortune cookie, or mystery treasure someone has sent you. Google+ isn't yet there - they don't make any money with G+ yet. I am sure that will follow soon, and I might have reason to complain then as well, because they might mess it up. Right now, however, the only reason for me to be on Facebook are my friends. If a substantial portion of them would follow me to Google+, I would see no reason to stick around here.cybergabihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11046481296417994068noreply@blogger.com